Top of their Game podcast

Our show where we delve into the minds of people making communications clearer, fairer and just plain better.

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Episodes

Meet Dr. Helen Keleher: a leading voice in public health who’s spent her career tackling some of society’s most complex, and urgent, health challenges.
An Adjunct Professor at Monash University and Life Member of the Public Health Association of Australia, Helen brings deep expertise in health equity, prevention, and population health. From shaping strategy to influencing generations through her writing and teaching, her work has consistently focused on creating fairer, more effective systems.
Meet Jamila Savoy: an emerging leader in the world of plain language advocacy.
As co-founder of Plain Language Matters, Jamila helps organizations communicate clearly. In this episode, she shares how her passion for plain language began, how she convinced the Victorian Government to invest in clarity, and the key lessons she’s learned as a leading voice for accessible, human-centered communication.
Meet Laureate Professor Peter Doherty: Nobel Prize winner, scientific heavyweight, and master communicator.
From a discovery that transformed modern medicine to decades as a trusted public voice on pandemics, climate change, and science itself, Peter shares what it takes to communicate complex ideas with clarity, credibility, and impact. A big-brain conversation with one of the world’s best.
Meet Dr Annetta Cheek: a true trailblazer of the plain language movement.
In this episode, Annetta shares how she discovered plain language, what it took to convince government that clarity was worth legislating for, and the long road to passing the US Plain Writing Act of 2010. It’s a powerful conversation about persistence, persuasion, and the real-world impact of writing that people can actually understand.
Meet Prof Joe Kimble — a true legend of plain-language legal writing.
After 35 years teaching legal writing at Cooley Law School, helping draft the US Federal Rules of Evidence and Civil Procedure, and authoring three landmark books. In our very first episode, Joe shares how he found plain language, the lessons he’s learned along the way, and why clarity matters for all writers — legal or not. We couldn’t imagine a better guest to kick things off.

Meet the host

Bob Milstein is one of In-Game Learning’s plain language experts and the voice behind Top of Their Game.

For more than 20 years, Bob has delivered the plain language training course on which the show is based, helping organizations communicate more clearly and effectively.

Alongside his work in plain language, Bob is an experienced health lawyer who has practised in Melbourne, Australia and New York City, US, and has been admitted to the New York Bar.
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It was through his legal work that Bob’s interest in plain language took hold. Time and again, he saw that the root cause of many medical negligence cases wasn’t malice or incompetence, but a simple lack of clear communication.

That realization set Bob on an ongoing journey to make language clearer, fairer and easier to understand: a journey that continues today.
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